Spirals and Scrolls Part I of Two
Demonstration by Jock Dempsey.
http://www.anvilfire.com
December 15, 1999
guru :
02:39:04
Tonights demo will be about spirals and scrolls. Specifically laying them out and making jigs.
guru :
02:40:40
I generally just bend scrolls by eye but many need to lay them out. The easy way is on a grid like this.

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02:42:08
This grid is a set of concentric circles 1/2″ (13mm) apart and divided into right angles, 45’s and 22.5’s
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The scroll is laid out in equal steps. Starting at the center
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Here we have placed a point on each 90 and 45 degree line moving out one circle at a time.
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If you put a point on every dividing line as you move out the circles you get a faster more open spiral.
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02:48:25
But you can also skip more than one dividing line and get a slower tighter spiral.
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02:51:22
Here we have skipped 2 lines between each point. When we layout the scroll we can divide the “skipped” lines into thirds to make a smoother spiral.
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02:53:34
Using the same grid you can layout any kind of spiral to any scale.
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02:54:49
Once you have your spiral scrolls laid out you will want to make a jig if you need to make more than a few exactly alike.
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02:55:40
There are several methods of making scroll jigs or benders.
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This simple jig is made of 1/8″ angle iron and 1/8″ by 1″ flat bar. It was used to make identical scrolls in 1/2″ square stock.
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02:58:11
The image is out of shape due to the rectangular image being forged into a square. . .
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03:00:06
This jig was used to make two ends of an “S” scroll that were different sizes. One end was pulled around to a chalk mark roughly at the cross bar, the other was pulled all the way around.
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03:01:07
Using the same jig for both ends gives a pleasing sense of continuity.
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03:02:46
This jig is made from a forged “fish tail” scroll. The tapering stock forges more naturally into a scroll if you are working by eye.
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03:10:13
The fishtail also sticks up higher than the other parts so that you get the effect of a stepped or progressive jig that can make more than one turn.
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03:11:59
This jig is also welded to a piece of angle iron so that it can be clamped in a vise. Vise mountable tooling is one of the handiest things you can do in the blacksmith shop.
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This is a scroll bender attachment for a Hossfeld bender.
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It works by having a hinged portion that swings out of the way so that the bar to be bent can be inserted.
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03:15:52
As the stock wraps around the bender the hinged portion can swing in and a spiral of more than 360 degrees can be bent.
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03:17:27
Normally these production benders produce an ugly flat end on the stock. However, if you are forging a bean end or fishtail on your scroll you can make a bender like this that accepts that style end.
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guru :
03:19:12
Questions?
flatthumb :
03:20:28
looks like the Golden Mean in a spider web – fascinating!
Doug :
03:20:37
Doug, It can be bent hot or cold. Normally the tight center part is bent hot and then the rest cold.
guru :
03:22:46
It takes me about 15 minutes to make one of these and I get $20 for them.
poorboy :
03:21:35
when bending by eye or your first scroll for the jig do you use a set of posts, a bending tool of some sort ?
T-Boat :
03:21:56
the Golden Mean can be found all over nature, flat
flatthumb :
03:22:40
Where did you pick this up Guru? It’s a lot simpler than laying it out with rectangles.:)
joe :
03:23:20
found this a while back, might be of interest..freebie.. GRAPH PAPER PRINTER can be downloaded from the author’s website : http://perso.easynet.fr/~philimar/
guru :
03:23:52
FT, all true spirals are mathematically progressive. Those who try to fit everything into those rectangles are fanatics.
poorboy :
03:24:17
you indicate one of the first jigs you showed us was 1/8″ thick, how heavy of scroll material can be worked on an 1/8″ jig?
guru :
03:25:24
On that jig I bent 1/2″ square. The first 4-6″ were bent hot. The rest cold.
guru :
03:26:10
Most of my scrolls get bent over the horn of the anvil or just curled up hot with a hammer.
guru :
03:27:05
I only make jigs when they have to fit a specific space and you need more than 2 or 3.
Chris :
03:28:13
Hi Guru – I downloaded a picture of that first jig, and don’t quite see how it’s used. Could you elaborate on some of the details?
guru :
03:28:17
The Hossfeld type is expensive to make OR purchase. However, if you are going to make a couple thousand cold bent scrolls it pays off quickly.
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03:29:34
The “S” scrolls made with this one had to fit existing wooden brackets that made a triangle.
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After scrolling the S’s were fit into a triangular for the final fit.
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03:30:45
This was part one of two. Bill Epps will be doing the second half, “Scroll Ends” in a few weeks.
guru :
03:32:48
These and several other benders can be seen in our Benders article on the 21st Century page.
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03:34:25
If there are no more questions, I’ll say good night folks!